La diffusion de la saison 2 de Carnivàle a commencé sur Jimmy dimanche dernier avec un season premiere grandiose.
A signaler également que "The Gospel of Matthias" a été traduit par Matthieu.
Et aussi que la dernière réplique de l'épisode ("Who are you ?") n'a pas été sous-titrée (un oubli, sans doute). C'est là qu'on voit que les sous-titreurs ont tellement de boulot qu'ils n'ont même plus le temps de faire des relectures finales.
Jimmy a également diffusé un joli doc quelque peu spoiler juste après l'épisode.
Carnivàle (s2) - Jimmy
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- Money has properties in this regard! Though no remedy is discovered yet sovereign against sentimental remorse.
— Deadwood
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- Money has properties in this regard! Though no remedy is discovered yet sovereign against sentimental remorse.
— Deadwood
There's no cure for life.
- Tony Soprano — The Sopranos
Voilà, Carnivàle est annulée au bout de 2 saisons, donc à touc ceux qui regarde la série sur Jimmy, profitez en bien....
Sinon, je suis en train de revoir le premier épisode de la saison 2 et j'en ai les larmes aux yeux de savoir qu'après cette saison qui est tout simplement sublime photographiquement parlant et grandiose sur le plan mythologique, il risque de ne plus y avoir de suite.
Sinon, l'épisode en lui même est magnifique, et surtout complètement indispensable à la compréhension de la suite, en fin un peu comme tous les épisodes de Carnie
. Mais surtout il marque le début d'une saison véritablement un cran au-dessus de la précédente et surtout au niveau de l'action.
Donc enjoy mais surtout agissez, nous avons une petite chance, ne la laissons pas passer.
Sinon, je suis en train de revoir le premier épisode de la saison 2 et j'en ai les larmes aux yeux de savoir qu'après cette saison qui est tout simplement sublime photographiquement parlant et grandiose sur le plan mythologique, il risque de ne plus y avoir de suite.
Sinon, l'épisode en lui même est magnifique, et surtout complètement indispensable à la compréhension de la suite, en fin un peu comme tous les épisodes de Carnie
. Mais surtout il marque le début d'une saison véritablement un cran au-dessus de la précédente et surtout au niveau de l'action.
Donc enjoy mais surtout agissez, nous avons une petite chance, ne la laissons pas passer.
C'est pas ton Dieu qui va m'obliger à mettre mon slip (Un ami légèrement dingue)
J'ai la bouche qui fuit....- Bubu
You've been sentenced to.... Death By Sexy-EODM
J'ai la bouche qui fuit....- Bubu
You've been sentenced to.... Death By Sexy-EODM
Le débat sur Carnivàle continuera ici:
Invité a écrit :Bon ben pour éviter d'être traité de connard, je vais faire comme toutle monde sur ce site : VIVA CARNIVALE.
Comme tout le monde je dirais que c'est une super série, avec un visuel léché (et dire qu'il y a des mecs qui osent critiquer un visuel léché), un rythme trépidant en seconde saison (quelqu'un peut-il me dire ce que je dois écrire pour qualifier le rythme de la première saison), une historie chiadée.
ET SURTOUT VIVE LE FLT.
Bubu a écrit :un inconnu a écrit :Bon ben pour éviter d'être traité de connard, je vais faire comme toutle monde sur ce site : VIVA CARNIVALE.
Comme tout le monde je dirais que c'est une super série, avec un visuel léché (et dire qu'il y a des mecs qui osent critiquer un visuel léché), un rythme trépidant en seconde saison (quelqu'un peut-il me dire ce que je dois écrire pour qualifier le rythme de la première saison), une historie chiadée.
ET SURTOUT VIVE LE FLT.
Qui t'a traité de connard ? Personne.
Quelqu'un balance quelque chose, des gens répondent qu'ils ne sont pas d'accord, d'autres que tu mélangeais tout... Cela s'appelle tenir une conversation.
Si tu te tires en maugréant à la moindre contrariété, c'est ton problème. Mais ne vient pas nous accuser de quoi que ce soit.FBI a écrit :Il faut peut totalement s'immerger pour la comprendre
C'est vrai quoi, sont cons chez HBO : une série où il faut s'immerger, donner de soi, réfléchir...
Vais mater Julie Lescaut moi...
Tonks a écrit :bubu a écrit :Vais mater Julie Lescaut moi...
non ce soir c'est Rose et Val. tu t'es trompé de jeudi ^^
invité a écrit :J'ai écrit POUR EVITER D'ETRE TRAITE DE CONNARD.
j'ai jamais dit que ça avait été le cas. C'est vrai que c'est pas une langue facile le français.
Maintenant j'aimerais bien revenir à une discussion dite normale où chacun expose son point de vue sans se faire incendier.
Jdésolé de nplus poset er ce soir mais je vais aller regarder Carnivale sur Jimmy. Je ne regarde jamais TF1 mais je trouve que vous connaissez bien leurs programmes.
Sinon les programmes TV où je donne de ma personne, c'est plutôt sur les films de cul. Mr Green
invité a écrit :Il s'en passe dans la deuxième saison ! My God ! Ah oui, c'est vrai. Le curé a enfin compris qu'il avait un ennemi, et l'ennemi a enfin compris qu'il devait retrouver ledit prêtre.
J'en suis au 2.06 (donc à la moitié de la saison), et ils se cherchent toujours. Pu*** qu'est ce que c'est cérébra
bubu a écrit :Attends : tu regardes en ce moment la série uniquement pour dire que tu l'as vu et que c'est mauvais ? Mr Green
T'as vraiment un problème...
Tu me fais penser à quelqu'un que je connaissais qui avait regardé MillenniuM par giclée de 3 épisodes tous les soirs jsuqu'à la fin et qui trouvait ça très moyen mais qu'il en fait n'avait rien compris.
Partir avec l'esprit biaisé amène immanquablement à un avis biaisé. Confused
Alors franchement, tu peux prendre tes clics et tes clacs, on te regrettera pas.
invité a écrit :bubu a écrit :Attends : tu regardes en ce moment la série uniquement pour dire que tu l'as vu et que c'est mauvais ?.
Non non pas du tout, mais à partir du moment où vous hurlez au génie et à la série qui bouge vachement dans la saison 2, faudrait peut être expliquer où...
à part deux trois scènes de culs, des scènes cauchemardesques vraiment flippantes et des histoires externes à la trame principale (supposée évoluer, je voudrais bien savoir où...), il n'y a rien de bien plus palpitant dans la saison 2 que dans la saison 1.
On sait qui est le gentil, on sait qui est le méchant. Et après ?
Bon, je l'admet, voir un curé se faire sucer, c'est drôle sur le moment. Mais ça ne fait pas non plus avancer les choses
Donc on en reviens au point de départ : belle forme (image superbe, musique aussi d'ailleurs), mais un fond qui pêche.
Désolé si ça vous fait mal au cul de l'admettre. Maintenant, n'hésitez pas à me convaincre du contraire
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Tiens justement je disais hier à Setstuko qu'Outside New Canaan était presque aussi sublime en 4/3 que dans le 16/9 original.
On dirait presque que Dan Lerner, le réalisateur de l'épisode, a été engagé pour faire oublier les experimentations un peu malheureuses de Todd Field sur l'épisode précédent. Même si une interview recente de Tracy Tormé lui faisait avouer un peu a mi-mots que ces ambiances complètement à coté de la plaque des scènes clé de l'épisode (et même de la série) étaient tel quel dans son script.
En tout cas il me semble que Jimmy à très bien diffusé cette seconde saison, je croyais au début que la série ne passait qu'en VF, mais je n'ai pas arretté de tomber sur des rediffusions en VO. C'est pour dire, même les bandes annonces passent en VOST maintenant j'ai l'impression. Et j'ai la flemme de verifier, mais je crois que la premiere diff est également en VOST.
Bref un très bon point pour la chaine, pour une fois
On dirait presque que Dan Lerner, le réalisateur de l'épisode, a été engagé pour faire oublier les experimentations un peu malheureuses de Todd Field sur l'épisode précédent. Même si une interview recente de Tracy Tormé lui faisait avouer un peu a mi-mots que ces ambiances complètement à coté de la plaque des scènes clé de l'épisode (et même de la série) étaient tel quel dans son script.
En tout cas il me semble que Jimmy à très bien diffusé cette seconde saison, je croyais au début que la série ne passait qu'en VF, mais je n'ai pas arretté de tomber sur des rediffusions en VO. C'est pour dire, même les bandes annonces passent en VOST maintenant j'ai l'impression. Et j'ai la flemme de verifier, mais je crois que la premiere diff est également en VOST.
Bref un très bon point pour la chaine, pour une fois
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Tiens juste pour toi Bubu quand tu dis qu'il faut avoir un problème pour regarder une série qu'on aime pas (et je le répète, je trouve dommage que la série s'arrête)
http://www.leflt.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3901&start=525
Regarde bien c'est au mileu de la page, un gars qui se fait appeler Bubu nous dit : "On ne critique bien que ce que l'on a bien regardé."
Ça va le schizophrène ?
http://www.leflt.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3901&start=525
Regarde bien c'est au mileu de la page, un gars qui se fait appeler Bubu nous dit : "On ne critique bien que ce que l'on a bien regardé."
Ça va le schizophrène ?
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Je viens ajouter de ma fascination pour cette série. Je regarde sur jimmy en vo, il ne me reste donc qu'un épisode et je dois dire que cette saison 2 est hallucinante; magnifique dans sa réalisation, la musique superbe et l'intrigue est parfaitement conduite.
La saison 1 m'avait beaucoup plu mais j'avais quand même eu du mal. Les choses s'accèlèrent dans la seconde saison et c'est génial. Les personnages prennent plus de profondeur, et je crois que c'est ça qui me manquait. Je me suis bien attaché à cette troupe et je suis très content de suivre l'évolution de Ben et Sofie entre autres.
Bref, quelle dommage que la série s'arrête...une oeuvre si puissante...aurait pu se developper sur 3 ou 4 saisons.
La saison 1 m'avait beaucoup plu mais j'avais quand même eu du mal. Les choses s'accèlèrent dans la seconde saison et c'est génial. Les personnages prennent plus de profondeur, et je crois que c'est ça qui me manquait. Je me suis bien attaché à cette troupe et je suis très content de suivre l'évolution de Ben et Sofie entre autres.
Bref, quelle dommage que la série s'arrête...une oeuvre si puissante...aurait pu se developper sur 3 ou 4 saisons.
Let the world change you and you can change the world.
Je suis mitigé suite à ce dernier épisode. D'un côté, il suffit de peu de choses pour que la série ait une vraie conclusion mais, d'un autre, je pense qu'il y aurait encore plein de trucs à développer.
En l'état, je trouve qu'on a finalement pas cette sensation d'inachevé puisqu'on peut tout simplement en conclure que la lutte du bien contre le mal est éternelle et que l'histoire se répète.
Cependant, quand on sait que 6 saisons étaient prévues, on se demande bien où Daniel Knauf voulait en venir et ça, c'est frustrant.
En l'état, je trouve qu'on a finalement pas cette sensation d'inachevé puisqu'on peut tout simplement en conclure que la lutte du bien contre le mal est éternelle et que l'histoire se répète.
Cependant, quand on sait que 6 saisons étaient prévues, on se demande bien où Daniel Knauf voulait en venir et ça, c'est frustrant.
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J'ai enfin vu le dernier épisode ce week end et je dois dire que cette saison 2 m'a bluffé tant au niveau du rythme que de l'ambiance et les décors toujours aussi splendides.
Le seul truc qui m'a déçu dans cette saison reste l'épisode final. Non, j'aime sa fin ouverte mais concluant quand même le combat Justin/Ben. Le truc qui m'a déçu et que j'avais deviné dès le début de l'épisode : le retournement de Sofie. Convenu et évident, presque cliché même. Ca sent le foutage de gueule. Surtout quand on repense au milieu de saison et au rêve/hallucination montrant Ben et Sofie enlacés amoureusement dans le désert. Bref, bref, bref, déception sur ce point.
Et Justin va me manquer. Rarement un méchant n'aura atteint une telle classe, un tel sentiment d'effroi et une si grande interprétation. Dark Vador fait teletubbies à coté de lui
Vraiment une grosse déception cette annulation et le public de HBO désertant la saison 2 a raté une grande saison. Sont cons ces américains quand même ...
Le seul truc qui m'a déçu dans cette saison reste l'épisode final. Non, j'aime sa fin ouverte mais concluant quand même le combat Justin/Ben. Le truc qui m'a déçu et que j'avais deviné dès le début de l'épisode : le retournement de Sofie. Convenu et évident, presque cliché même. Ca sent le foutage de gueule. Surtout quand on repense au milieu de saison et au rêve/hallucination montrant Ben et Sofie enlacés amoureusement dans le désert. Bref, bref, bref, déception sur ce point.
Et Justin va me manquer. Rarement un méchant n'aura atteint une telle classe, un tel sentiment d'effroi et une si grande interprétation. Dark Vador fait teletubbies à coté de lui
Vraiment une grosse déception cette annulation et le public de HBO désertant la saison 2 a raté une grande saison. Sont cons ces américains quand même ...
Je suis le dernier échantillon d'homme parfait - Homer Simpson
Que les méchants ressuscitent ok, c’est un peu ce qui fait l’essence d’un méchant. - Keina
Que les méchants ressuscitent ok, c’est un peu ce qui fait l’essence d’un méchant. - Keina
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Carnivale fans get the Carousel moving again
Posted on Wed, 13-Jul-2005
A grassroots movement made up of fans, stars and the creator of “Carnivale” has been sweeping Hollywood.
From the moment it was announced that “Carnivale” would not be renewed, the fans (6,000 on one Internet group alone) got themselves armed with tarot cards (to send to HBO) and some talented PR to establish an unprecedented response with one aim: to get back “Carnivale.”
Described as articulate professionals (with an international base as well) who are not dedicated TV watchers, the fans have made themselves noticed in Hollywood. Articles in Entertainment Weekly and in the Washington Times show that people are closely watching to see if this is a new change coming in the industry.
Dan Knauf, the show’s creator, is overwhelmed by the response both to him and by the many letters being sent to HBO.
“I believe HBO is horrified, because network executives rise and fall by the decisions they make, and right now they have to be wondering if they made the right decision,” he said.
A “CarnyCon” is already planned for next year; April 21-23 2006.
Source : http://www.moviehole.net/news/5921.html
Vous avez l'occasion de posez une question à Daniel Knauf, vous lui posez une question intelligente, n'est-ce pas ? 
Voici la question que je lui ai posé hier sur un chat (sur carnycon)
Hi, from France, Dan .....it's certainly a dumb question from a french (lol) but why the fortune cards are in french ? (note : in the credits you put them in english ...judgement, moon, sun)
trad : Bonjour, venant de France, Dan......c'est sûrement une question stupide venant d'une française (lol) mais pourquoi les cartes de tarots sont en français ? (note : dans le générique vous les avez mis en anglais.......jugement, soleil, lune)
Réponse de Knauf : the cards are in french because french is ever so much more lyrical and sexy than English. Oui ?
trad : les cartes sont en français car le français est tellement plus lyrique et sexy que l'anglais. Oui ?
Voilà maintenant je vais me cacher
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Ah si j'ai demandé à Beth (ami de clancy brown et qui a des constacts avec knauf) si dans le cadre de l'opération "it's in the cards", ça aurait le même impact qu'eux si on envoyait à HBO des cartes de tarot comme ça http://img335.imageshack.us/img335/5296 ... rot1oe.jpg
et on m'a dit que oui et "qu'elle sont belles".
Voici la question que je lui ai posé hier sur un chat (sur carnycon)
Hi, from France, Dan .....it's certainly a dumb question from a french (lol) but why the fortune cards are in french ? (note : in the credits you put them in english ...judgement, moon, sun)
trad : Bonjour, venant de France, Dan......c'est sûrement une question stupide venant d'une française (lol) mais pourquoi les cartes de tarots sont en français ? (note : dans le générique vous les avez mis en anglais.......jugement, soleil, lune)
Réponse de Knauf : the cards are in french because french is ever so much more lyrical and sexy than English. Oui ?
trad : les cartes sont en français car le français est tellement plus lyrique et sexy que l'anglais. Oui ?
Voilà maintenant je vais me cacher
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Ah si j'ai demandé à Beth (ami de clancy brown et qui a des constacts avec knauf) si dans le cadre de l'opération "it's in the cards", ça aurait le même impact qu'eux si on envoyait à HBO des cartes de tarot comme ça http://img335.imageshack.us/img335/5296 ... rot1oe.jpg
et on m'a dit que oui et "qu'elle sont belles".
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"Son to quieur dé la nouiiii[...]gnaaaaa gloioioioire"...C'est beau
Et il y a un transcript de ce chat en ligne ? Ou à défaut, tu peux nous proposer ton log (si tu en as un) :)
Mrs Featherbottom : " OK, who’d like a banger in the mouth? Oh, right. I forgot. Here in the States, you call it a sausage in the mouth."
Michael : "We just call it a sausage."
Arrested Development 2x16
Michael : "We just call it a sausage."
Arrested Development 2x16
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Excellent Auré
On devrait pouvoir trouver un transcript US sur The Baggage Trailer, je vais jetter un coup d'oeil
En attendant le Freak of the Day :
http://www.savecarnivale.org/html/rousties_tattoo.htm
Il a même pas une tête de geek et vous avouerez que c'est nettement plus cool que de ses faire refaire les seins comme Lucy Lawless ou les oreilles en pointe
On devrait pouvoir trouver un transcript US sur The Baggage Trailer, je vais jetter un coup d'oeil
En attendant le Freak of the Day :
http://www.savecarnivale.org/html/rousties_tattoo.htm
Il a même pas une tête de geek et vous avouerez que c'est nettement plus cool que de ses faire refaire les seins comme Lucy Lawless ou les oreilles en pointe
Avant de commencer je tenais à dire que Chris Albrecht est un C.O.D. ( un C.O.N aussi ) et c'est le nouvel ennemi officiel des fans de Carnivale
Sinon à savoir : Daniel Knauf déteste Willow (le film de Ron howard), n'a pas lu le Da vinci code (moi pareil). Passionnant je sais
J'ai pas réussi à le faire moi (mon pc merde un peu bref) donc là j'ai pris ça sur savecarnivale..
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http://www.savecarnivale.org/html/carniecast_071705.htm
Transcript chat avec Daniel Knauf du 17/07/2005
Q: How long did it take to shoot Milfay, 1st and 2nd pilots?
DK: If memory serves me, I believe it was 21 days.
DK: The add'l material on Brother Justin's side was shot piecemeal
once we'd gotten the green light for the series.
Q: In the WWI scenes, did Belyakov know it was Scudder he was
shooting?
DK: Yes. Belyakov is stalking Scudder deliberately.
Q: Did you have a carni act in mind for Gecko? If so, can you
describe it?
DK: Normally, an act for a performer like Gecko was simply a reveal
followed by his life story "usually
fabricated" followed by questions and answers.
Q: Why did you choose a cornfield?
DK: Cornfields are creepy and there's something primal about them.
Q: Did Ben's mom go crazy from carrying a kid with powers or some
other reason?
DK: Ben's mom went crazy because she carried an Avatar to term.
Q: Why did Ben not revive the baby? Why did he only take it from
the mother and hand it to the "father?"
DK: The baby had been dead for days. Plus, Ben was unaware of the
extent of his powers. And even if he wasn't, the cost would've been
far too high.
DK: What he did do is heal the woman's spirit.
Q: Assuming there is far too much coincidence between Lodz and
Bruno and Belyakov, did Belyakov set Lodz up as a form of revenge
for his crippling?
DK: In war, absurd things happen.
DK: No. Belyakov did not hold Lodz responsible for the bear
attack. And, in fact, Lodz wasn't responsible. The bear was just
p*ssed and hungry.
Q: Is Justin the one and only Usher? And is the one and only
function of the Usher to end the world?
DK: Justin is the one and only Usher. And his function has not
been defined.
DK: I mean, I know what his function is, but I haven't revealed it
yet.
Q: When Sofie first sees Ben leaving Lila's trailer, she picks up a
Tarot card Momma made fall to the ground. Did she think it had any
particular meaning to Ben? Which card was it?
DK: The card was "The Magician."
DK: I'm sorry.
DK: The card was "The Magician," reversed.
Q: You must have a fair grounding in Tarot reading to be able to
write the symbolism into the script. However, not everybody does.
Did you use your own interpretation of the cards, or the "standard"
definitions that come in the little booklet?
DK: As far as the Tarot interpretation, I start with Rider/Waite,
then take liberties.
Q: When you wrote Carnivale, did you have specific actors in mind
to play Sofie, Ben, BJ, and Iris?
DK: I wrote the first draft of Carnivale in 1989 - 90. The only
person I thought about was Justin, and I was seeing him as Christopher Walken.
Q: Will you be attending the Emmy's in support of the Carnivale
nominations? Congrats by the way!
DK: I really hate the whole idea of awards things, but, yes, I'll
be attending. Unless "Wonder Showzen" is on.
DK: Heh.
Q: Forgive me, I haven't kept up for a couple of months. Have you
revealed why Ben was in prison? And if you
haven't, will you now? Or is it supposed to come out later in the
story?
DK: Ben was imprisoned for assaulting a bank officer. He
subsequently killed a guard while escaping.
DK: I know. Radical new info. But, what the hell. It's just a
brush-stroke, really.
Q: What's the significance of Boffo's ring/Scudder's little
trinket, and the visions Ben and Lodz see from contact with them?
DK: It's not so much the ring, it's the symbol. The Ordo Templar
play a role in our mythology, but a heretofore supporting one.
Q: How confident are you that HBO will change their minds and bring
back Carnivale? If they don't, is there an alternative plan?
DK: I really doubt HBO will change their minds. But I'm hoping
that, if the fan-base grows, they might revisit it in the future.
And don't be surprised if the story gets told in another medium.
DK: Heh.
DK: <----------- what a tease.
Q: Did Ben heal the little girl out of instinct or because of
Sofie's tarot reading concerning wasted talents?
DK: Ben's motivation for healing the girl was to just prove to
himself that Sofie's reading was crap. It was an attempt to deny
that his power existed. He was, well, surprised. But not really.
Q: Did you cast Sofie with Dorothea Lange's 'Migrant Mother'
portrait in mind? (You know you were pushing our
buttons eh? On many levels.)
DK: I cast Clea because, yes, she looked right for the period.
More importantly, she's brilliant.
Q: The question is richer than that. (Or are you still teasing?)
DK: Minerva, no. I really didn't have that image specifically in
mind. But I'd studied Lange's photos (and others) and wanted to
fill the show with 1930s faces.
Q: What is really going on in Justin's mind when the coins fly out
of Eleanor's mouth?
DK: Do you really want to know what was going on in Justin's mind
at that moment?
DK: When Eleanor vomited coins,
DK: one word went through Justin's mind.
DK: "JACKPOT!!!"
DK: Heh.
DK: I just with HBO had gone with my note in the script that
indicated that "her eyes roll up 7s."
DK: But our digital budget was shot.
DK: At least, that's what they told me.
Q: What does Elanor remember about the coin vomiting
hallucination/experience after it is over?
DK: Eleanor remembers the vomiting, but regards it as a vision from
God.
Q (from Thalidar): Was the arrow which Lodz drew in the dust when
the Carnivale first comes upon Ben pointing to Scudder?
DK: Thalidar, you rock. Love the Gospel.
DK: I actually don't know what the arrow signified. Patrick just
did it while we were shooting him, and we loved it. Rodrigo grabbed
the insert, and we just threw it in.
DK: In the script, I just indicate that "Lodz absently scratches
something in the dirt" or something like that.
Q: The fetus in the jar in the trailer- was it purely symbolic
foreshadowing about management or was it intended to be something
else?
DK: I think the fetus thing has been discussed to death.
Q: Was the scene with Bro J outside Chin's a sort of premonition of
the fire and the blood of the killed children?
DK: The vision outside Chins was a symbolic harbinger of his
mission.
DK: The blood rain was a nod to Peter Gabriel.
Q: Jonesy and Sofie, why can't those two crazy kids just get it
together? Is there something in their past we should
know about?
DK: The Jones and Sofie backstory was simply a tragedy of bad
timing, misunderstandings and missed opportunities.
DK: We never got specific because we didn't need to to serve the
story.
DK: My approach to exposition is that it should reflect real-life.
I mean, we don't have to know every little thing to understand that
two people are f*cked up and star-crossed IRL.
DK: It's a mystery. It feels real if it kinda stays that way.
Q: Both the CoL and CoD spent the better part of their lives not
knowing/repressing their powers. Were the powers there all along in
their entirety or did they "ripen" with age and experience?
DK: The powers are analogous to talent or potential. The learning
is analogous to craft.
DK: I mean, they don't ripen with age. They ripen with use.
Q: Are you a Shemp or Curly person?
DK: Curly. Definitely. I try to like Shemp. He is, after all, a
Howard. But he just doesn't have Curly's finesse.
DK: Heh.
Q: Is it possible to finish your vision as a series of HBO Original
Films?
DK: Anything is possible.
Q: I know ComicCon was for pleasure, but is there a specific artist
out there who you'd want to ink a Carnivale graphic novel?
DK: I haven't really thought about it.
DK: Heh.
Q: Did Ben and Sofie really have a "connection" in the first
episode? They seemed to get close to each other, but then
they don't get close again until the second season. Like when Ben
firsts notices her as they're burying his mother, for example.
DK: The reason we didn't have them fly together immediately is,
well, it would've been insufferably boring and expected.
Q: Does Lodz know from reading Ben's dream that first night who Ben
really is?
DK: Lodz knows that Ben is something "big," possibly an avatar,
more likely a strong vectorus.
Q: What other mediums do you think would be worthy to tell the
Carnivale story? I have trouble thinking of another medium that
could really do justice to what the story can offer and HAS offered
with the television format.DK: I've been thinking of completing the story as a series of Lucky
Lager bottle-cap puzzles.
DK: Just kidding.
DK: Really, the usual suspects. Print. Film.
Q: A few of us fanfic writers out here, myself included, were
wondering if you or anyone connected with the show reads Carnivale
Fanfic? And your thoughts and opinions? Thank you.
DK: All I can say is that I don't read fanfic. But that doesn't
mean I'll never write fanfic.
DK: (What was that about mediums again?)
DK: Heh.
Q: Why are the fortune cards in French ? (Note: In the credits you
put them in English- Judgement, Moon, Sun)
DK: The cards are in French because French is ever so much more
lyrical and sexy than English, Oui?
Q: When magic (I) dies, will the world (XXI) die with it... or is
magic/the world already dead?
DK: I don't know. Is it?
Q: Do the first scenes of episodes 1 from both seasons, in which
Samson speaks about the whole CoL and CoD thing with the war, happen
after everything else ends? Is Samson telling the story of
Carnivale to us now that it ended and everything's OK?
DK: Samson is telling us the story. And since when has everything
ever been OK?
Q: Will you elaborate/clarify the "Ben and Sofie love each other
more than life itself" comment?
DK: Is that statement really open to interpretation? It means what
it says. Period.
Q: Just curious, but did you know that BlockBuster FINALLY has
season 1 available for renting? Should get LOTS more fans now!
DK: Gawd, I hope so. At this rate, Blockbuster should have Season
2 in the next decade or so.
Q: Have you heard anything from Albrecht himself re: "It's In The
Cards?"
DK: I have not had a conversation with Chris since the cancellation.
Q: How long did it take to come up with the eventual final script
for the Milfay pilot that eventually became what we (hopefully
everyone here) now own on DVD?
DK: I guess it was 13 years or so. But I wrote about 10 other
scripts in that period. I mean, I'd go back to it from time to
time, tweak it. You know...
Q: In season 2, when Sofie read the tarot cards to Ben and they
both saw the future with them together and the explosion occurred,
did this mean they were not meant to be together and that it would
be catastrophic?
DK: The "nuclear kiss" only means what it will mean. It's a vision
open to interpretation. By Ben. By Sofie. By you.
©CarnyCon
) et c'est le nouvel ennemi officiel des fans de Carnivale
Sinon à savoir : Daniel Knauf déteste Willow (le film de Ron howard), n'a pas lu le Da vinci code (moi pareil). Passionnant je sais
zebulon a écrit :Et il y a un transcript de ce chat en ligne ? Ou à défaut, tu peux nous proposer ton log (si tu en as un) :)
J'ai pas réussi à le faire moi (mon pc merde un peu bref) donc là j'ai pris ça sur savecarnivale..
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http://www.savecarnivale.org/html/carniecast_071705.htm
Transcript chat avec Daniel Knauf du 17/07/2005
Q: How long did it take to shoot Milfay, 1st and 2nd pilots?
DK: If memory serves me, I believe it was 21 days.
DK: The add'l material on Brother Justin's side was shot piecemeal
once we'd gotten the green light for the series.
Q: In the WWI scenes, did Belyakov know it was Scudder he was
shooting?
DK: Yes. Belyakov is stalking Scudder deliberately.
Q: Did you have a carni act in mind for Gecko? If so, can you
describe it?
DK: Normally, an act for a performer like Gecko was simply a reveal
followed by his life story "usually
fabricated" followed by questions and answers.
Q: Why did you choose a cornfield?
DK: Cornfields are creepy and there's something primal about them.
Q: Did Ben's mom go crazy from carrying a kid with powers or some
other reason?
DK: Ben's mom went crazy because she carried an Avatar to term.
Q: Why did Ben not revive the baby? Why did he only take it from
the mother and hand it to the "father?"
DK: The baby had been dead for days. Plus, Ben was unaware of the
extent of his powers. And even if he wasn't, the cost would've been
far too high.
DK: What he did do is heal the woman's spirit.
Q: Assuming there is far too much coincidence between Lodz and
Bruno and Belyakov, did Belyakov set Lodz up as a form of revenge
for his crippling?
DK: In war, absurd things happen.
DK: No. Belyakov did not hold Lodz responsible for the bear
attack. And, in fact, Lodz wasn't responsible. The bear was just
p*ssed and hungry.
Q: Is Justin the one and only Usher? And is the one and only
function of the Usher to end the world?
DK: Justin is the one and only Usher. And his function has not
been defined.
DK: I mean, I know what his function is, but I haven't revealed it
yet.
Q: When Sofie first sees Ben leaving Lila's trailer, she picks up a
Tarot card Momma made fall to the ground. Did she think it had any
particular meaning to Ben? Which card was it?
DK: The card was "The Magician."
DK: I'm sorry.
DK: The card was "The Magician," reversed.
Q: You must have a fair grounding in Tarot reading to be able to
write the symbolism into the script. However, not everybody does.
Did you use your own interpretation of the cards, or the "standard"
definitions that come in the little booklet?
DK: As far as the Tarot interpretation, I start with Rider/Waite,
then take liberties.
Q: When you wrote Carnivale, did you have specific actors in mind
to play Sofie, Ben, BJ, and Iris?
DK: I wrote the first draft of Carnivale in 1989 - 90. The only
person I thought about was Justin, and I was seeing him as Christopher Walken.
Q: Will you be attending the Emmy's in support of the Carnivale
nominations? Congrats by the way!
DK: I really hate the whole idea of awards things, but, yes, I'll
be attending. Unless "Wonder Showzen" is on.
DK: Heh.
Q: Forgive me, I haven't kept up for a couple of months. Have you
revealed why Ben was in prison? And if you
haven't, will you now? Or is it supposed to come out later in the
story?
DK: Ben was imprisoned for assaulting a bank officer. He
subsequently killed a guard while escaping.
DK: I know. Radical new info. But, what the hell. It's just a
brush-stroke, really.
Q: What's the significance of Boffo's ring/Scudder's little
trinket, and the visions Ben and Lodz see from contact with them?
DK: It's not so much the ring, it's the symbol. The Ordo Templar
play a role in our mythology, but a heretofore supporting one.
Q: How confident are you that HBO will change their minds and bring
back Carnivale? If they don't, is there an alternative plan?
DK: I really doubt HBO will change their minds. But I'm hoping
that, if the fan-base grows, they might revisit it in the future.
And don't be surprised if the story gets told in another medium.
DK: Heh.
DK: <----------- what a tease.
Q: Did Ben heal the little girl out of instinct or because of
Sofie's tarot reading concerning wasted talents?
DK: Ben's motivation for healing the girl was to just prove to
himself that Sofie's reading was crap. It was an attempt to deny
that his power existed. He was, well, surprised. But not really.
Q: Did you cast Sofie with Dorothea Lange's 'Migrant Mother'
portrait in mind? (You know you were pushing our
buttons eh? On many levels.)
DK: I cast Clea because, yes, she looked right for the period.
More importantly, she's brilliant.
Q: The question is richer than that. (Or are you still teasing?)
DK: Minerva, no. I really didn't have that image specifically in
mind. But I'd studied Lange's photos (and others) and wanted to
fill the show with 1930s faces.
Q: What is really going on in Justin's mind when the coins fly out
of Eleanor's mouth?
DK: Do you really want to know what was going on in Justin's mind
at that moment?
DK: When Eleanor vomited coins,
DK: one word went through Justin's mind.
DK: "JACKPOT!!!"
DK: Heh.
DK: I just with HBO had gone with my note in the script that
indicated that "her eyes roll up 7s."
DK: But our digital budget was shot.
DK: At least, that's what they told me.
Q: What does Elanor remember about the coin vomiting
hallucination/experience after it is over?
DK: Eleanor remembers the vomiting, but regards it as a vision from
God.
Q (from Thalidar): Was the arrow which Lodz drew in the dust when
the Carnivale first comes upon Ben pointing to Scudder?
DK: Thalidar, you rock. Love the Gospel.
DK: I actually don't know what the arrow signified. Patrick just
did it while we were shooting him, and we loved it. Rodrigo grabbed
the insert, and we just threw it in.
DK: In the script, I just indicate that "Lodz absently scratches
something in the dirt" or something like that.
Q: The fetus in the jar in the trailer- was it purely symbolic
foreshadowing about management or was it intended to be something
else?
DK: I think the fetus thing has been discussed to death.
Q: Was the scene with Bro J outside Chin's a sort of premonition of
the fire and the blood of the killed children?
DK: The vision outside Chins was a symbolic harbinger of his
mission.
DK: The blood rain was a nod to Peter Gabriel.
Q: Jonesy and Sofie, why can't those two crazy kids just get it
together? Is there something in their past we should
know about?
DK: The Jones and Sofie backstory was simply a tragedy of bad
timing, misunderstandings and missed opportunities.
DK: We never got specific because we didn't need to to serve the
story.
DK: My approach to exposition is that it should reflect real-life.
I mean, we don't have to know every little thing to understand that
two people are f*cked up and star-crossed IRL.
DK: It's a mystery. It feels real if it kinda stays that way.
Q: Both the CoL and CoD spent the better part of their lives not
knowing/repressing their powers. Were the powers there all along in
their entirety or did they "ripen" with age and experience?
DK: The powers are analogous to talent or potential. The learning
is analogous to craft.
DK: I mean, they don't ripen with age. They ripen with use.
Q: Are you a Shemp or Curly person?
DK: Curly. Definitely. I try to like Shemp. He is, after all, a
Howard. But he just doesn't have Curly's finesse.
DK: Heh.
Q: Is it possible to finish your vision as a series of HBO Original
Films?
DK: Anything is possible.
Q: I know ComicCon was for pleasure, but is there a specific artist
out there who you'd want to ink a Carnivale graphic novel?
DK: I haven't really thought about it.
DK: Heh.
Q: Did Ben and Sofie really have a "connection" in the first
episode? They seemed to get close to each other, but then
they don't get close again until the second season. Like when Ben
firsts notices her as they're burying his mother, for example.
DK: The reason we didn't have them fly together immediately is,
well, it would've been insufferably boring and expected.
Q: Does Lodz know from reading Ben's dream that first night who Ben
really is?
DK: Lodz knows that Ben is something "big," possibly an avatar,
more likely a strong vectorus.
Q: What other mediums do you think would be worthy to tell the
Carnivale story? I have trouble thinking of another medium that
could really do justice to what the story can offer and HAS offered
with the television format.DK: I've been thinking of completing the story as a series of Lucky
Lager bottle-cap puzzles.
DK: Just kidding.
DK: Really, the usual suspects. Print. Film.
Q: A few of us fanfic writers out here, myself included, were
wondering if you or anyone connected with the show reads Carnivale
Fanfic? And your thoughts and opinions? Thank you.
DK: All I can say is that I don't read fanfic. But that doesn't
mean I'll never write fanfic.
DK: (What was that about mediums again?)
DK: Heh.
Q: Why are the fortune cards in French ? (Note: In the credits you
put them in English- Judgement, Moon, Sun)
DK: The cards are in French because French is ever so much more
lyrical and sexy than English, Oui?
Q: When magic (I) dies, will the world (XXI) die with it... or is
magic/the world already dead?
DK: I don't know. Is it?
Q: Do the first scenes of episodes 1 from both seasons, in which
Samson speaks about the whole CoL and CoD thing with the war, happen
after everything else ends? Is Samson telling the story of
Carnivale to us now that it ended and everything's OK?
DK: Samson is telling us the story. And since when has everything
ever been OK?
Q: Will you elaborate/clarify the "Ben and Sofie love each other
more than life itself" comment?
DK: Is that statement really open to interpretation? It means what
it says. Period.
Q: Just curious, but did you know that BlockBuster FINALLY has
season 1 available for renting? Should get LOTS more fans now!
DK: Gawd, I hope so. At this rate, Blockbuster should have Season
2 in the next decade or so.
Q: Have you heard anything from Albrecht himself re: "It's In The
Cards?"
DK: I have not had a conversation with Chris since the cancellation.
Q: How long did it take to come up with the eventual final script
for the Milfay pilot that eventually became what we (hopefully
everyone here) now own on DVD?
DK: I guess it was 13 years or so. But I wrote about 10 other
scripts in that period. I mean, I'd go back to it from time to
time, tweak it. You know...
Q: In season 2, when Sofie read the tarot cards to Ben and they
both saw the future with them together and the explosion occurred,
did this mean they were not meant to be together and that it would
be catastrophic?
DK: The "nuclear kiss" only means what it will mean. It's a vision
open to interpretation. By Ben. By Sofie. By you.
©CarnyCon
"Son to quieur dé la nouiiii[...]gnaaaaa gloioioioire"...C'est beau
Auré a écrit :
Q: How confident are you that HBO will change their minds and bring
back Carnivale? If they don't, is there an alternative plan?
DK: I really doubt HBO will change their minds. But I'm hoping
that, if the fan-base grows, they might revisit it in the future.
And don't be surprised if the story gets told in another medium.
DK: Heh.
DK: <----------- what a tease.
Personne ne réagit à ça alors que ça pourrait sous-entendre qu'il pourrait faire la suite en bouquin ?
"Son to quieur dé la nouiiii[...]gnaaaaa gloioioioire"...C'est beau